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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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show number 45 for the twenty eighth of

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august 2009 richardsaunders here with

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you once again from Sydney Australia

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just just because I'm just about to get

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on a plane with dr. Richie a good friend

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Steve Roberts the Australian skeptics

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UFO expert and we're heading for

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dragoncon Dragon Con in Atlanta Georgia

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more about that later in the show now

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this week shows a bit of a mixture I've

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decided to mix up the format a little

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bit we're going to kick off with dr.

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Reggie reports because she hasn't been

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on for a little while that's followed by

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the think tank then a very important

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interview with Leanne rocks from Western

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Australia by Carly Sturgis where she

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talks about philosophy philosophy and

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critical thinking for children so

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without any further ado let's get stuck

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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello everyone

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and welcome to dr. Reggie reports on

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today's episode I present a story of a

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link that's been discovered between the

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famous microbiologist louis pasteur

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victoria bitter beer and the rabbit

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plague in australia but first up i came

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across this gem of a clip when I was

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researching the recent gaffe about

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homeopathic vaccinations on 9am s David

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and Kim morning television program for

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those of you who don't know this story

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9am is a morning magazine style program

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which was interviewing dr. Nikolai

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Petrovski who is one of the developers

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of the swine flu vaccine in the interest

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of journalistic balance they also had a

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gentleman by the name of Isaac golden

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who is a self-confessed expert on

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homeopathic vaccination now we don't

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expect our morning TV shows to be

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particularly knowledgeable when it comes

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to medicine or medical issues but we do

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expect them to do some research

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unfortunately it seems that David and

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Kim don't seem to learn here's a clip i

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came across from 2006 which made it to

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our media watchdog program called Media

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Watch it's David talking about a placebo

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try these guys were given a placebo

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alright what I don't really understand

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what a placebo is but it seems to have

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saved them and it wouldn't be would it

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make sense that every time a trial like

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this takes place that there is a

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bow on her Channel Ten's David

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rainmaking a bit of a deal of himself on

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morning TV hello and welcome to Media

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Watch I'm Monica a turn what David was

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talking about the English clinical drug

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trial that went terribly wrong when six

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men suffered multiple organ failure and

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nearly died doctors are still baffled

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but not quite as baffled as David rain

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fortunately there was a doctor on hand

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to sort

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douse receive I was just an active agent

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so it's a it's a patient right it's a

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pretend right so it could be yes they're

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all say line for example with no active

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agent in it I obviously it was a cure of

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some sort now and now on to the

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fascinating and intriguing story of a

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link between the famous microbiologist

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louis pasteur the rabbit plague in

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sydney the father of Federation in

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australia sir henry parkes and a 10

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million dollar prize this story was

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uncovered by historian Stephen dando

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Collins and is described in his recent

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book pastures gambits which deals with a

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connection between the famous and

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revered pastor of the famous Pasteur

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Institute and Australia now of course

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Louis Pasteur discovered the process of

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pasteurization which is now widely used

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in food preparation but he also

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discovered amongst other things a cure

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for rabies and anthrax pasteurization

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made him famous because it enables food

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products to have a much longer half-life

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and then make them safe for consumption

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particularly when they are stored or

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transported but back to the rabbit

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plague it was on Christmas Day in 1859

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that a couple of dozen wild European

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destined for a property near geelong in

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rabbits bred like rabbits and very soon

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were over running Victoria South

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Australia and New South Wales and

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encroaching on farmland crops and

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grazing land now the Premier of New

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South Wales at the time sir henry parkes

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decided to set up a commission to deal

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with this rabbit problem at this time

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trappers there were people who sold

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barbed wire to stop the rabbits from

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getting in and there were those known as

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scalpers who all had a vested interest

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in the rabbits staying in Australia but

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despite this Henry saw that the problem

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was beyond the rabbit trappers and

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scalpers so he decided to set up a

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worldwide competition to find a

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biological solution to rid the country

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of the rabbit plague the prize

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is set at twenty-five thousand pounds

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which is the equivalent of ten million

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dollars in today's standards now at the

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time in France Louis Pasteur wanted to

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set up the Pasteur Institute but he

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wanted to do it with independent funds

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not government money he heard about the

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competition and thought he'd found a

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solution to the rabbit plague in the

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form of chicken cholera he'd done some

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experiments where he had taken chicken

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droppings and fed them to rabbits and

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notice that they died very quickly so

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Louis decided to send his reluctant

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protege his nephew Adrian lawar to

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Australia to claim the prize Louie was

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keen for him to get to Australia win the

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competition and return to France within

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about four to six weeks but when Adrian

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arrived he discovered that as part of

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the competition he had to demonstrate

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that the solution worked for 12 months

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before the money was to be handed over

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so this meant he needed some cash to

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tide him over whilst in Australia now

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a little brewery in Copenhagen which is

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now the carlsberg brewery to teach the

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for wine but French wine makers were not

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interested in using it because they

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thought it would affect the taste but in

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the case of beer at carlsberg this

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enabled them to ship their beer all over

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the world and have it arrive fresh so

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owners of the Victoria Bitter brewery

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who asked him to teach them the process

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as well for which they would pay him the

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equivalent of one hundred thousand

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dollars of course Adrian was more than

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happy to teach them pasteurization and

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Victoria Bitter is now the biggest

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selling beer in Australia so now Adrian

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said about winning the prize for the

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rabbit plague but he was to come up

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against several hurdles firstly the

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rabbits CalPERS and fences who sat on

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the judging panel were not interested in

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stuffing out the rabbit plague but also

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the locals were not happy about him

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running a lab full of biohazard

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and scary germs but henry parkes had a

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solution to this he allowed Adrian lawar

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to set up a research facility in Sydney

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Harbour on an island called rod Island

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didn't completely Alai the fears of the

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locals so a fine-mesh was also hung over

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the facility to stop the germs getting

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out now despite the fact that Henry

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Luann's science their biological

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solution was never introduced in

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Australia today we still have a rabbit

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plague Australian scientists from the

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CSIRO were asked to come up with a

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biological solution in the 1950s this

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came in the form of a virus called

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myxomatosis and was initially very

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successful it killed off about 99% of

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the rabbit population but soon rabbits

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developed immunity and then began to

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breed again so in the early 1990s the

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the calicivirus Anwar dang island off

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the coast of South Australia but after

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only six months of testing on a rabbit

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population the virus escaped to the

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mainland most likely on insects it was

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unofficially released in 1996 and was

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initially very effective but just like

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myxomatosis rabbits have become less

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susceptible over time to calicivirus

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recent reports of an explosion in rabbit

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numbers suggest the problem costs

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Australia around two hundred million

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dollars a year from lost crops and

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pastureland one wonders whether we would

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still have this problem if Adrian lawar

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had been allowed to develop his chicken

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cholera idea back in the 1800's Stephen

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dando Collins book is called pastor's

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gambit Louis Pasteur the australasian

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rabbit plague and a 10 million dollar

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prize and is published by Random House

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and until next time this has been dr.

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hey Phil Plait here from the bad

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astronomy blog and I'm also president of

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the James Randi Educational Foundation

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now if you've read pretty much anything

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I have ever written you know that I am a

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pretty big dork for both astronomy and

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science fiction and I'm thrilled to be

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able to combine the two by co-hosting a

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star party this year at Dragon Con in

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Atlanta Georgia my co-host is going to

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be podcaster and fellow astronomer and a

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dear friend of mine Pamela gay we're

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doing this thursday September third at

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this is the night before dragoncon stars

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this is an honor of Jeff Medcalf who

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used to blog under the name blue collar

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scientist it was a skeptic and an

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astronomer and a friend of mine and he

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died last year of liver cancer all the

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proceeds from this event are going to

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the American Cancer Society so this is a

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great event for a great cause it's being

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sponsored by the Atlanta skeptics so all

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you need to do is go to Atlanta skeptics

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need so again Atlanta skeptics com click

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on the star party link we're going to be

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looking at Jupiter and the moon and

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talking about astronomy and it's really

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going to be a good time and it really is

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for an honestly good cause so I hope to

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join us now for drinking skeptically in

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we can start now another thing take now

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are you sure and from our favorite Club

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welcome to the think tank is everyone oh

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that's better that's homeopathic water

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it's not even that's invisible it's

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great and yes welcome to the think tank

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once again and dr. a charmer say thank

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you very much for a steering the old

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nobody noticed that don't know it no one

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can see on the podcast and I just

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dropped my phone to a pen now joining me

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tonight on the thing going of course

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Richard I hope you enjoy it this week is

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a little bit of a light relief it was

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supposed to be anyway it was it was

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great thanks again and we have Jason

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joining us again hello Jason greetings

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everybody where's your room while we

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were there she's especially a machine

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sheep at home you're sleeping you're

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sleeping please members and guests next

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courtesy by little hottie canonry can't

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see quite a park and burwood that's next

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courtesy of us five minutes time going

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to can agree kempsey croydon park and

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burwood thank you everybody's been

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missing the announcements so to make

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sure okay we're just making sure well

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that's my bus we'd better hurry up five

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minutes okay let's go Diane hello Diane

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how are you I'm actually you know what

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I'm close to being as well and better as

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I have in a very long time which I'm

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pleases me know and almost got my ears

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fixed up you know a little almost but

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I'm feeling good I've been exercising

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again and I think I've beaten the old

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skeptic flu well Richard you have to be

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ready soon why is that why is that why

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do you see well because we're going to

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see lots of very famous people at

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DragonCon we are dragoncon yes in fact

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which at this time next week yeah we

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will be jet lag

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but we will be in Atlanta won't we

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Atlanta Tom this time next week no no

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we'll still be in the air only we're

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recording this on a Wednesday night

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Australian time so this time next week

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will be somewhere over the Pacific we

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will you probably eating food I hope

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probably eating through ones on the

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flight very likely but yes dr. rachy and

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I and our reporter Kylie Sturgis all the

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way from Perth are heading for dragoncon

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now I think dr. H you have a few details

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if listeners are coming to dragoncon

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please please come up and say hello I

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mean we really love to to meet you and

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talk with you especially when you tell

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us how good doctor a cheese reports up

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and especially when you tell us how

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funny which is jokes I as well no one's

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going to say that no and if I just can I

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just mention us on her side one of our

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good blogging friends crispy and Jago

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recently did a blog post about your

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jokes didn't he oh yeah he's Simpson

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eyes daph you famous skeptical people

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you guys saw this didn't you on his blog

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yes he did rebecca watson brian dunning

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to mention steve novella raman singh

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Randy your plate and Richard Saunders re

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and shereen and he mentioned everyone

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who had he assigned everyone a special

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power and now what did he assign you

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Richard i believe it was piss poor jokes

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but i can't imagine what I can't imagine

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what he said right well anyway but

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giving back to dragoncon back to

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dragoncon yes we did receive the pocket

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program guide today which is now

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available on the website if you search

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for dragoncon you can find that and it's

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some designed for big pockets because

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it's a hundred and forty something pages

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young yeah which is gives you an idea

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lessness of how big dragoncon is as an

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event but the script exam will be part

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of three tracks hmm thus kept track

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obviously the science track and also the

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Silk Road track which is Asian culture

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and origami yeah and I'll be taking part

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in

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listeners go to the dragoncon website or

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look for silk road I think I'm doing one

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about Pegasus you're doing one calls

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pick one called pigs might fly on Sunday

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at ten am right you're doing one called

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origami round robin on Sunday at 1130am

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and then on Monday at eleven-thirty are

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doing origami open fold excellent I

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remember last you had such an enormous

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legal time teaching people how to make

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birds and animals and all sorts of

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things I really love it so if you're

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coming along to dragoncon and you can

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spare those times come along I'd love to

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see you hmm well also as part of the

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skeptic Richard we're doing a couple of

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things as well on the Friday at four

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o'clock i'm doing my own presentation

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called quackery and media commentary

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which is going to be the doctor 'he

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treatment of some things that i like to

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talk about excellent and then you and I

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on this saturday at five thirty are

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doing our mystery investigators sure is

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the mystery investigators and in fact

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listeners in sydney ah as soon as you

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listen to the skeptic zone hopefully

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you're listening to it on friday when

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it's uploaded if you come to the ABC in

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ultimo you'll see dr. H and i'm

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performing our mystery investigator show

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all day all day yeah and that's for the

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ultimo Science Festival which is part of

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New South Wales science week dose of

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2029 29th of August Saturday ABC in

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ultimo building walk right in and you

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can come and say hello to dr. H in

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myself won't be there from ten a.m. till

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4pm great and last year we did nine

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shows Richard so let's see if we can

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beat that record this year and then we

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went home and collapsed I think didn't

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we and you can see dr. H east and on my

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back on a bed of nails nine times

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listeners know if you come and Cheer I

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might do it 10 times getting back to

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dragoncon however yeah so at

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eight-thirty p.m. on saturday night

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we're doing a live recording of the

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skeptic zone weeks or early stages and

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our special guests are shorter rap and

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Daniel Loxton right and anyone else I

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think they're the two we've got lined up

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but we who know

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United's Tragon con you never know it

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could be ah William Shatner I don't know

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it could be I doubt it Barrowman John

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higher maybe baby Leonard Nimoy yeah in

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fact everybody every famous person is

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gonna make me marching in just to take

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part in their podcast I'm sure they'll

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be a queue they'll be a cute thank you

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Paul Q will be there to you think uh-huh

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sorry what about that guy from Torchwood

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who everyone's in love with what's his

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name John Byrne oh that's him oh I was

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thinking the character's name captain

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lived in joking captain jack okay also

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it's Captain Jack captain Jeff I

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apologize should see Diane's Isaac oh

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yeah life is not popping out of a very

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move across someone says captain check

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and see a little sparkle you know and

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then finally on Sunday at two-thirty

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p.m. i'm doing a panel with Steve

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novella on the science Trek called

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influenza swine flu and you and me hmm

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yeah she sounds good and then there's

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one final panel at the end of dragoncon

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where we also to get together and do a

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skeptical goodbye which I'm schedule

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should be part of but I think they'll

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probably be a lot of people just

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bouncing on there towards the end and I

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expect so yeah so now you're in for a

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great time dr. H I know this is your

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first dragon con it is and I remember

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before I went Phil Plait said to me you

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have no idea what you're in for and it's

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true until you experience what dragon

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cons all about you have no idea how many

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people come again how many people attend

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dragoncon was it what did you say about

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55 well I I've heard that about 55,000

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pass through the doors across the course

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of the three days because it's the labor

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day weekend in the States so it's monday

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is a holiday as well that's a lot of

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people and they're all well not all of

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them but many people are dressed up in

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extravagant costumes hmm like Star Trek

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cost you oh yeah yeah start oh yeah

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rookies rookies angel award I was

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terminated a lot of cartoons not

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cartoons comics anime mmm okay there's

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an anime track dedicated just to anime

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there's a film festival love it you'd

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love it you too you should

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you just stopped making them jealous

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sorry chase now one of the people of

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course we're going to be meeting up with

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in Dragon Con a lot of good skeptics

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going to be there of course but we are

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particularly dr. a she particularly

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looking forward to meeting up with our

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good old friend Brian darling from

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squiddy oh yes we are we can do Brian

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Danny impersonations when were there

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that's quite as well and and he can do

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some singing too that's right yeah um

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now the couple of things about brian

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dunning one is he sharing our room yes

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is so we might get to interview him well

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if we lock him in the bathroom and I

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must also mention Brian darlings

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recently put up some new videos a new

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series of quick video grabs he's doing

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called in fact all right like sceptile

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he's doing the video versions called in

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fact and here's video channel is called

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volley brain folly brain vol le why

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brain on YouTube our listeners please

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check it out he's got a last time I

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looked there are three new videos up

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there by Brian Dunning where he gives

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things that the little sceptile but he's

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calling it in fact and what he wants to

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get those on iTunes as well I'll a

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change Oh excellent that's my crystal

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searcher Brian Dunning docomo i will

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subscribe that's excellent he did one on

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the Mayan calendar and and some others

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so listeners yes absolutely on itunes or

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on youtube check it out now speaking of

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YouTube Richard something happened to

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you earlier this week to do with YouTube

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didn't it what's up there what's

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happened well I've had a YouTube channel

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now for four or five year long time a

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long time and I was a director in fact i

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was invited to youtube events and all

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sorts of things because i was getting a

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lot of hit unfortunately though i have i

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guess i crossed the line because the

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last video i put up was about a certain

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guy on TV it was you know Isaac golden

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eyes at golden hue

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it on a show called 9am journal 10 9

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a.m. and I he was espousing the benefits

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of homeopathic vaccination oh boy ah so

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as I do I put it on YouTube well channel

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10 didn't like that no and as a result

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my whole channels gone everything which

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oh well that's life you know I'm not

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going to lose any sleep over it it's a

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pity it's gone the biggest pity it's

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gone is I had an account which let me

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put up unlimited time so i could have

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half an hour an hour on youtube which

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not many people can do that's gone but

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fair enough but that's that's not the

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that's a bad thing but that's not the

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worst of it in this particular instance

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this is really almost a bit like

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censorship on the behalf of channel 10

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in my opinion I mean a lot of our

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listeners may have heard about this

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story but if you haven't it's a morning

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show called 9am with David and Kim and

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it's one of those normal vacuous morning

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shows where they have someone selling

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you know a vacuum cleaner or something

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infomercial show yeah the guests

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daughter through it it is but on this

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00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:01,900
particular occasion they had a guy by

540
00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:04,840
the name of Isaac golden who helped

541
00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:08,140
himself as a very high highly respected

542
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:09,700
researcher on the benefits of

543
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:13,140
homeopathic vaccinations and they had on

544
00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:15,850
professor Nikolai does anyone remember

545
00:24:22,410 --> 00:24:19,900
his name now Petrovsky sorry Nikolai

546
00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:22,420
Petrovski who is one of the scientists

547
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:24,460
who was involved in the development of

548
00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:26,770
the swine flu vaccine and then they had

549
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:28,270
this guy called Isaac golden in the

550
00:24:32,910 --> 00:24:30,460
studio who was saying we don't need to

551
00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:32,920
use swine flu vaccines we can just use

552
00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:36,160
dis homeopathic vaccine and it's much

553
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:37,750
cheaper and we can get it out to

554
00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:39,730
millions of people in a much quicker

555
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,830
time because it doesn't require safety

556
00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:44,080
testing blah blah blah straight to the

557
00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:47,230
turf hmm now that the thing that was so

558
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:49,420
credulous about this was that David and

559
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:51,910
Kim who are just you know these little

560
00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:53,650
TV presenters they're not expected to

561
00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:57,160
know the science ok better they didn't

562
00:25:01,799 --> 00:24:59,140
question this guy doll and Niccolo

563
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,809
Petrovski who was that scientist just

564
00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:03,760
looked dumbstruck you guys saw this on

565
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:05,140
youtube din year before it was pulled

566
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:07,090
down he just was your opinion of his

567
00:25:10,499 --> 00:25:09,730
response it looks like didn't really

568
00:25:12,989 --> 00:25:10,509
know what was good

569
00:25:14,909 --> 00:25:12,999
happen when he came in and he was just

570
00:25:17,069 --> 00:25:14,919
floored by what this guy was saying it's

571
00:25:18,389 --> 00:25:17,079
just so many things were wrong he just

572
00:25:20,669 --> 00:25:18,399
didn't know where to start with his

573
00:25:22,199 --> 00:25:20,679
response and yeah they're being stuck in

574
00:25:25,169 --> 00:25:22,209
came didn't come off very well because

575
00:25:26,969 --> 00:25:25,179
of that unfortunately and Isaac garden

576
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:26,979
took advantage of the situation and came

577
00:25:33,329 --> 00:25:30,190
across as a fellow researcher yes he did

578
00:25:35,339 --> 00:25:33,339
yeah he talked about this particular lab

579
00:25:39,509 --> 00:25:35,349
in Cuba that apparently developed this

580
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:39,519
original homeopathic vaccine for leprosy

581
00:25:45,569 --> 00:25:42,070
I think Roger was it I can't remember

582
00:25:46,919 --> 00:25:45,579
exactly what it was but I'm one of the

583
00:25:48,899 --> 00:25:46,929
researchers that is apparently

584
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,909
associated with this institute is also

585
00:25:52,739 --> 00:25:51,279
working with Petrovski and so gold and

586
00:25:54,479 --> 00:25:52,749
managed to spin it around to say well I

587
00:25:56,309 --> 00:25:54,489
work with this guy and you've worked

588
00:25:58,079 --> 00:25:56,319
with him therefore we're colleagues you

589
00:25:59,489 --> 00:25:58,089
know and we're bringing out a scientific

590
00:26:01,349 --> 00:25:59,499
paper and all yeah we're bringing out a

591
00:26:02,669 --> 00:26:01,359
scientific paper internationally and

592
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:02,679
nationally in the next few months

593
00:26:07,019 --> 00:26:04,239
therefore we're pretty much on the same

594
00:26:09,089 --> 00:26:07,029
page nobody dare to say hang on a second

595
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:09,099
you're talking about water aren't you

596
00:26:17,129 --> 00:26:14,049
yes you know the professor petrosky was

597
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:17,139
not ready or doesn't know that that

598
00:26:20,669 --> 00:26:19,329
angle of it the two presenters weather

599
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,679
just presenters they you know they don't

600
00:26:27,389 --> 00:26:23,440
know what we know so no but I have to

601
00:26:29,099 --> 00:26:27,399
say also I mean Kim surely she must have

602
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:29,109
some scientific knowledge but at one

603
00:26:34,529 --> 00:26:31,569
point she said are so how does this then

604
00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:34,539
work if it's like a virus when asking

605
00:26:38,669 --> 00:26:36,909
about the vaccine well she asking that

606
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:38,679
to the homeopathy I can't remember I

607
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:40,569
can't remember either but it doesn't

608
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:42,849
matter who she was asking it to behind

609
00:26:46,829 --> 00:26:44,379
that question is a complete lack of

610
00:26:49,769 --> 00:26:46,839
knowledge of what a vaccine is yeah a

611
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:49,779
vaccine is against a virus and she was

612
00:26:54,869 --> 00:26:51,609
saying oh well then how does it work if

613
00:26:57,389 --> 00:26:54,879
it's against a virus why because i

614
00:26:59,339 --> 00:26:57,399
thought the word yeah it's a pity that

615
00:27:02,069 --> 00:26:59,349
it's a pity that there was nobody on

616
00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:02,079
there to counter what are you saying and

617
00:27:05,399 --> 00:27:03,940
just say absolutely from the beginning

618
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,409
hang on you're talking about water what

619
00:27:11,699 --> 00:27:07,440
are you doing this is rubbish this is

620
00:27:13,229 --> 00:27:11,709
debunked ancient rubbish and so when a

621
00:27:14,729 --> 00:27:13,239
lot of people would have thought this

622
00:27:15,749 --> 00:27:14,739
was interesting information that they

623
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:15,759
should hear and why aren't the

624
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:17,769
government spending a fraction of the

625
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:19,450
cost that to vaccinate the whole

626
00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:20,710
population with

627
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:23,140
yeah well this is the good thing though

628
00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:24,159
because you happen to be watching

629
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:26,440
television and you happen to catch it

630
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:28,570
just record area and stick it up on

631
00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:30,460
YouTube yeah and then a lot of people

632
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,200
saw it and a lot of people that I know

633
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:34,720
wrote letters to the station complaining

634
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:36,730
immediately and saying this is dangerous

635
00:27:41,789 --> 00:27:40,090
this is irresponsible of you channel 10

636
00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:41,799
got the message because they cancelled

637
00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:43,870
my youtube again well yeah so I mean it

638
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:46,120
oh well small a small price to pay a

639
00:27:49,289 --> 00:27:48,070
small price to pay out now the thing is

640
00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:49,299
and we were just discussing this earlier

641
00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:51,700
yes it's been pulled I know other people

642
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,340
have it but more importantly we can

643
00:27:58,799 --> 00:27:57,279
transcribe it hmm I know someone who did

644
00:28:01,169 --> 00:27:58,809
right to Media Watch which is sort of

645
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,179
our media watchdog program and they sort

646
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:03,279
of got a fairly automated response to

647
00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:04,750
saying we might look into it thank you

648
00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:06,820
for your feedback I've received so far

649
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:08,440
as well did you write to Media Watch to

650
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:10,990
you okay so our IP my old YouTube

651
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:13,750
account I'm not bothered i'm not going

652
00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:16,090
to go through and put my case i mean i

653
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:18,039
had a lot of videos up there from TV

654
00:28:22,049 --> 00:28:19,570
shows let's face it a lot of people do

655
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:22,059
so I'm last person to run around saying

656
00:28:26,639 --> 00:28:24,250
oh this is unfair but I've got a new one

657
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:26,649
no what is it oh yeah skips and we can

658
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:29,460
all subscribes he skeptics own podcast

659
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:32,350
skipped exam podcast that's it my new

660
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:34,270
YouTube channel is skeptics on podcast

661
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:36,010
in the first video uploaded was how to

662
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:40,809
fold origami Pegasus no cuz when they

663
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:42,370
took down my channel all that went all

664
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:45,070
the old tank podcasts have gone so going

665
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:46,480
to find someone to house those and all

666
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,700
my old one you at all just that here's

667
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:51,279
well they did you see years ago maybe

668
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,590
four or five years ago uri geller wins

669
00:28:58,919 --> 00:28:56,320
and had something put down because i had

670
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:58,929
a clip which featured uri geller and i

671
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:00,190
didn't think much of it and a couple

672
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:03,070
years later benny hinn went on a rampage

673
00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:04,750
for youtube or his lawyers and they had

674
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:06,220
everything removed now I had a clip that

675
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,929
featured Benny Hinn wasn't his clip

676
00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:10,480
didn't matter and I didn't think much of

677
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:12,340
it and years went by and of course this

678
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,529
was the third strike three strikes

679
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,720
you're out and my aunt disappeared you

680
00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:18,399
prefer just to pull things and then wait

681
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:20,200
for people to yeah we'll hang on that

682
00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:22,090
was legitimate before that stuff yeah to

683
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:24,039
it so don't worry listeners don't write

684
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:25,270
in to youtube and say what are you doing

685
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:28,510
i don't care i got a new channel up and

686
00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:30,580
i'll put up some other know what you

687
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:32,500
should do in protest is transcribe the

688
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:34,450
segment and put it on your blog yeah

689
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:36,250
and Twitter it and send it to as many

690
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:39,040
people as you can because this smells a

691
00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:40,930
bit to me of channel 10 trying to

692
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:43,420
silence it well not particularly but

693
00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:46,540
quite often but that TV networks do as I

694
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:48,070
send short little snippets of the

695
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:50,470
segment to YouTube they encode that up

696
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:52,030
and their search or the other videos for

697
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:53,290
things that look like that little

698
00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:55,450
snippet it's a bit of an automated

699
00:30:00,270 --> 00:29:58,180
process though especially how they go

700
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:00,280
after the music videos in this case I

701
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:02,110
think it was making something similar or

702
00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:04,210
may have been channel 10 there's nowhere

703
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:06,220
to talk I I would hazard a guess and say

704
00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:07,810
in this case it's because of the flood

705
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:10,060
of emails I would have got but didn't

706
00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:11,430
you say that it's on their website

707
00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:14,620
somewhere did you say that I station

708
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:16,780
please members in yes the time is now 19

709
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:19,030
p.m. at this time the club's underage

710
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,610
policies in place could all adults with

711
00:30:27,890 --> 00:30:23,200
minors in their company please escort

712
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:27,900
them from the premises thank you yeah

713
00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:30,790
yeah I saw that someone commented that

714
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:33,280
that you that clip was on the 9am

715
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:35,230
website I didn't find it by us or other

716
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:37,630
clips with that same boat talking about

717
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:39,670
homeopathy okay so channel 10 doesn't

718
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:40,630
care that they're just spouting

719
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:43,090
misinformation to young parents who are

720
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:44,230
home at that time of the day watching

721
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,410
their nonsense not not answer no no no

722
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:49,120
no no no don't say it like that they

723
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:51,250
don't know that they're spouting

724
00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:53,380
misinformation that's irrelevant they

725
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,420
should be doing their research I agree I

726
00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:57,760
agree but I have a responsibility so no

727
00:31:01,290 --> 00:30:59,080
that's about this don't say they don't

728
00:31:02,850 --> 00:31:01,300
care it implies that they know they're

729
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:02,860
spouting nonsense there they might know

730
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:04,600
it's not since but I will see me channel

731
00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:06,850
10 I probably think that they simply

732
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,380
just don't know they're spouting

733
00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:10,480
nonsense I don't care they should do

734
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:12,400
their research if you want to I agree

735
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:14,620
with you they should do sue me for

736
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:16,510
saying that I don't care i'm gonna i'm

737
00:31:21,390 --> 00:31:19,720
going to agree with you radio national

738
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:21,400
broadcaster they have that obligation

739
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:24,430
yeah they do is a good point especially

740
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:25,420
when they're talking about vaccinating

741
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,440
children exactly so um that that was all

742
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:31,360
very interesting this week for me wow

743
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:34,510
how about that goodbye youtube old

744
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:38,200
youtube channel now I looking at my next

745
00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:40,330
dr. Reggie you've got a paper in front

746
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:42,280
of you I do I have an old-fashioned

747
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:43,770
newspaper listeners

748
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,750
that I had what a couple of thousand

749
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:51,600
years ago yeah well and this one is also

750
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,610
a broadsheet which is the one that's

751
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:55,320
super super big that you can't read on

752
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,570
the bus you know this oh yeah that you

753
00:32:04,790 --> 00:31:59,760
can wrap your fishing tips in this is

754
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:04,800
our local sort of left-wing press I

755
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:06,810
guess in a sense isn't it would you call

756
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:09,510
it left wing they vary all over the

757
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,280
place yeah okay we've had the same

758
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:13,140
reporters vary from right to left but it

759
00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:14,850
is the Sydney broadsheet it's the Sydney

760
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:15,900
broadsheet it's called The Sydney

761
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:18,210
Morning Herald it's considered to be a

762
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,300
sort of you know fairly era diet

763
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:23,580
newspaper isn't it so maybe a bit like

764
00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:26,040
The Guardian possibly it's certainly not

765
00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:29,300
trash with it's not page three pictures

766
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,070
anyway the front page of the paper a

767
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:34,260
couple of days ago members and guests

768
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:36,090
could marry Acosta please make your way

769
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:38,250
to reception very consequential please

770
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:40,830
make your way to reception thank you go

771
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:45,720
on Maria hurry on region it was quite I

772
00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:47,490
was quite surprised today to find that

773
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:49,560
the newspaper with splashed across the

774
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:51,810
front page in big headlines was an

775
00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:54,510
investigation about a sex clinic in New

776
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:58,230
South Wales and anyone who sorry it's

777
00:33:02,450 --> 00:32:59,580
really a medical institute it's

778
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:02,460
Australia why does it yes no advanced

779
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,340
medical institution well it's some known

780
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:07,080
as the advanced medical institute and

781
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:09,180
we've become quite used to their

782
00:33:15,020 --> 00:33:10,980
billboards in this part of the country

783
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,030
the huge huge billboards that say have

784
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:17,760
lost a longer lasting sex yeah huge

785
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:19,830
letters on a big yellow background with

786
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:22,170
this number and it's basically nasal

787
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:25,490
delivery technology which is supposed to

788
00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:27,990
correct impotent impotence II

789
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:31,020
essentially right they've been a string

790
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:32,580
of complaints over a very long time

791
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:34,650
about the billboards first of all and

792
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:36,470
the radio ads in other anyway but

793
00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:40,380
whereas you okay yeah people were saying

794
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:42,300
that they were offended by them and so

795
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,680
one of the ways that they got around

796
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:46,320
this was they covered up any sort of

797
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:49,350
offensive words with censored so they

798
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:51,180
went from have longer lasting sex to

799
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,220
have longer lasting sense it

800
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:55,440
that apparently managed to get around

801
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:57,390
the loop holes of the Advertising

802
00:34:03,590 --> 00:33:59,610
Standards Bureau or whoever was you know

803
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,600
overseeing that but anyway also a few

804
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:05,880
months ago there was an investigation

805
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:08,490
into their unethical practices in terms

806
00:34:15,379 --> 00:34:11,550
of their allegedly their alleged

807
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,389
unethical practices and the allegedly

808
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:17,639
using unproved medical claims to treat

809
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:20,490
impetus it impotence II hmm alleged

810
00:34:28,419 --> 00:34:22,740
impotent no I think that there is

811
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,159
however they have been taken to the

812
00:34:38,359 --> 00:34:32,639
people once this week by the internet

813
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,369
I'd say allegedly allegedly YouTube took

814
00:34:44,359 --> 00:34:41,520
down your account yeah however there was

815
00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:44,369
a an injunction taken out by the

816
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:47,790
advanced medical institute in June to

817
00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:50,190
prevent people from publicizing or

818
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:52,139
writing about the investigation that

819
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,409
they were undergoing at the time but

820
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:57,900
just a couple of days ago the Supreme

821
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,560
Court allowed the Sydney Morning Herald

822
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:04,080
this nice piece of newspaper to see

823
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:07,410
parts of the investigation because they

824
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,150
deemed that it was necessary for the

825
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:12,660
public to know what was going on and it

826
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:15,030
turns out these people will I'll just

827
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:18,450
quote here from a series of health

828
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,290
experts who / overlooked their practices

829
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:25,200
they called them pernicious nasty

830
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,859
coercive and deplorable and said that

831
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:30,720
their practices were unethical and were

832
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,320
based on unproved medical claims yeah so

833
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:36,720
apparently the guy who's the the chief

834
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:39,900
executive is it is a guy named Jack vies

835
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,089
minh and he's known as a medical

836
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,760
entrepreneur which doesn't sound

837
00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:48,000
particularly its red flags it's video

838
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:50,580
every flag isn't it yeah yeah in fact

839
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,140
you heard an interview with this if I

840
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,760
was ever interviewed on radio this

841
00:35:58,900 --> 00:35:55,680
morning and they announcer put the

842
00:36:03,390 --> 00:35:58,910
concerns as mentioned in the paper and

843
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:03,400
the the guy you just mentioned

844
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:06,130
my yeah Jack advising yeah he answered a

845
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:07,990
few questions with most questions were

846
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:11,200
inspired by their legal guy oh really

847
00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:14,170
very good at deflecting and answering

848
00:36:21,690 --> 00:36:16,150
questions by what he was very good to it

849
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,700
you heard that yeah and he said so the

850
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:23,680
announcer Mike Carlton said but what

851
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:25,150
about this you've been condemned by

852
00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:27,190
these people who are researchers and

853
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:29,260
leaders in this field and it's all well

854
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:30,730
they obviously haven't seen the latest

855
00:36:35,579 --> 00:36:33,430
research and which didn't leave Mike

856
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:35,589
Colton anywhere to go you see it's very

857
00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:37,690
clever well actually one of those

858
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,160
leading researchers is a guy by the name

859
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,680
of David Handelsman and I in fact know

860
00:36:47,069 --> 00:36:44,079
him he works in them the Department of

861
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,079
andrology at Concord Hospital so he

862
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:49,200
works with androgens and male hormones

863
00:36:55,049 --> 00:36:52,529
and he's think hold that he called their

864
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,059
practices are carefully constructed

865
00:37:00,569 --> 00:36:58,720
legal fiction so it's interesting

866
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:00,579
actually spotted throughout this article

867
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:02,170
which is very very critical of what

868
00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:03,940
they're doing and basically alerting the

869
00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:07,000
public to stay well away they use the

870
00:37:15,569 --> 00:37:09,460
word pernicious three times they use the

871
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:15,579
word Scariff eyeing terrifying yeah now

872
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:21,849
that exists in the paper yet they also

873
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:24,460
mentioned them sounds like a name of 70s

874
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,740
rock group we're fine and now with their

875
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:28,960
legacy what's that over there it is

876
00:37:43,789 --> 00:37:34,150
clarifying so um this um is that one of

877
00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:47,760
look at me out of this hole apparently

878
00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:53,260
they are I can't even follow that the

879
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:55,900
the am I Australian Medical water they

880
00:38:01,769 --> 00:37:58,980
called again advanced medical institute

881
00:38:04,049 --> 00:38:01,779
they apparently have been allegedly

882
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:04,059
signed people up to long-term contracts

883
00:38:09,059 --> 00:38:06,760
which cost thousands of dollars and they

884
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:09,069
this was termed pernicious nasty and

885
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:10,990
unethical there's pernicious again and

886
00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:12,910
third time it's in here do you think the

887
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:14,900
journey is trying to make a point

888
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,510
Kevin and apparently they also did

889
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:20,720
things like prescribe penile injections

890
00:38:27,099 --> 00:38:24,770
to a 17 year old who ended up with

891
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:27,109
priapism which is basically prolonged

892
00:38:31,569 --> 00:38:29,510
directions who then had to seek other

893
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:31,579
medical assistance 17 year olds like

894
00:38:51,099 --> 00:38:41,690
that anyway are you saying correlation

895
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:51,109
doesn't equal cause this morning during

896
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:52,970
the interview remember that rich Burke

897
00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:56,210
haven't talked about um assessment very

898
00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:57,950
good are you diagnose over the phone he

899
00:39:01,150 --> 00:38:59,480
said yes he was saying how can they

900
00:39:03,069 --> 00:39:01,160
diagnose over the phone yes I do

901
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:03,079
diagnose over the fence around I say we

902
00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:06,440
do we all the treatment is the same well

903
00:39:09,609 --> 00:39:08,180
and so all the causes are the same so

904
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:09,619
you have exactly this son Charlie was

905
00:39:12,849 --> 00:39:11,240
worried about something which is another

906
00:39:16,569 --> 00:39:12,859
form of medication that we know about

907
00:39:20,109 --> 00:39:16,579
yeah viagra I'll thinking well that work

908
00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:20,119
based thing oh yeah I mean when my cult

909
00:39:23,289 --> 00:39:21,349
was quite concerned because well

910
00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:23,299
sometimes it's psychological sometimes

911
00:39:28,089 --> 00:39:25,160
this sometimes it's that yes right

912
00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:28,099
anyway it's good to see that because I'm

913
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,900
sick of those posters to their terrible

914
00:39:33,849 --> 00:39:31,760
give us not even about those posters

915
00:39:35,769 --> 00:39:33,859
it's about people being sign up no no I

916
00:39:37,299 --> 00:39:35,779
agree but the other problem fixed I'm

917
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:37,309
also but the thing is this nasal

918
00:39:40,809 --> 00:39:38,930
delivery technology has been debunked

919
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,819
many times it's been through court

920
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,520
before through a different company I'd

921
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:45,200
say I don't think this company is going

922
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:47,000
to survive this now well be back this

923
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,680
guy used to own another company called

924
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:50,240
the on clinic I don't know if you

925
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,700
remember them and they will have also

926
00:39:55,539 --> 00:39:53,839
been reported to the healthcare

927
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:55,549
Complaints Commission in the past yeah

928
00:39:59,289 --> 00:39:57,770
and so maybe they were told to shut down

929
00:40:01,240 --> 00:39:59,299
and they've just went away and started

930
00:40:02,349 --> 00:40:01,250
up something else except I remember

931
00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:02,359
hearing about the own clinic before

932
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:05,180
sofitel two separate companies no I hate

933
00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:08,690
this guy professor sorry professor Jack

934
00:40:15,819 --> 00:40:12,799
Wiseman owns this company to call Don

935
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:15,829
clinic that was just come to say to make

936
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:17,180
it sound like it was a different company

937
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:18,140
because that's what I thought they were

938
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:20,990
well it says here brush dad it was a

939
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:24,170
vies minh company called on clinic so if

940
00:40:26,850 --> 00:40:26,390
that's correct then the things because

941
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:26,860
there soon

942
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:29,170
money in this business even if this is

943
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,210
shut down I'll just like nothing well

944
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:32,800
even if there's a shut down there you

945
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:34,660
still walk away wealthy men that's right

946
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:41,790
mr. Doyle not quite sure who he is but

947
00:40:46,290 --> 00:40:43,660
he's associated with the company I think

948
00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:46,300
but anyway this is the quote we are a

949
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:48,070
commercial enterprise and we are

950
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,050
entitled to do whatever we wish to as

951
00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:53,680
long as we comply with the law so there

952
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,180
you go I mean that's basically saying if

953
00:40:58,860 --> 00:40:56,800
we can get a loophole and get around it

954
00:41:02,220 --> 00:40:58,870
then we're a commercial enterprise stuff

955
00:41:04,050 --> 00:41:02,230
people's health anyway it's good to see

956
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,060
that this has come to the attention of

957
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:05,440
the general public because they

958
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:07,360
advertised quite heavily as we know on

959
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:09,010
the billboards and on radio and on

960
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:11,170
television and everywhere everywhere

961
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:14,010
yeah well thank you very much dr. Richie

962
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:16,930
once again thank you very much Jason

963
00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:20,680
coming along and Diane no problem

964
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,980
Richard no problem and until next time

965
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,560
and I think we'll probably probably do

966
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:29,680
it today from Atlanta I think we're

967
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:31,600
ranges

968
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:35,540
why not cheers everybody cheers thanks

969
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:00,290
we're getting ready for dragoncon

970
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:01,830
Richard I'm starting to feel like

971
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:03,690
Princess Leia with one too many walking

972
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:06,510
carpets in a way why what's wrong I've

973
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:08,250
just got run over by sodding Davros at

974
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,540
the check-in terminal do you know how

975
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:11,220
slowly Davros moves you did that on

976
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,670
purpose are ye okay sure well will be

977
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:17,040
representing the skeptic track and the

978
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,470
science track at dragoncon Atlanta you

979
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,380
can see me dr. Richie Kylie Sturgis dr.

980
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,420
Steve Roberts and dr. Martin bridge

981
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:26,760
stock working and being sciency and

982
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:29,250
skeptical don't forget there's a special

983
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,770
mystery investigators show for everybody

984
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:34,320
including the kids a live show of the

985
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:37,050
skeptic zone and even origami talks by

986
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:40,970
me over on the silk road track yeah yeah

987
00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:45,330
this your bloody sad one uh and i think

988
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:47,580
kylie is starting an interstellar war in

989
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:50,130
the lobby if you'd like to join sorry

990
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:51,630
Richard the Klingons have decided to

991
00:42:55,610 --> 00:42:53,130
launch an attack on red dwarf aired to

992
00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:55,620
say something ah that's what it was huh

993
00:43:00,440 --> 00:42:57,390
oh you really gonna dress up as Captain

994
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:00,450
Jack Harkness oh well I was I was

995
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:03,780
thinking what city he does no thank you

996
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:06,560
catch you all from thursday to monday at

997
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:21,980
I'm Carly Sturgis and I'm talking to

998
00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:24,660
LeAnn Rimes LeAnn is the gifted and

999
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,580
talented coordinator and teacher of

1000
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,040
philosophy and ethics at Hale school an

1001
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:31,760
all-boys school in Western Australia in

1002
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,190
2007 she and Matthew Willis created the

1003
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,560
philosophy the philosophy on is a

1004
00:43:42,110 --> 00:43:39,900
community of inquiry competition a

1005
00:43:44,330 --> 00:43:42,120
critical thinking challenge for high

1006
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:44,340
school students using the community of

1007
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:46,830
inquiry model which has its origins in

1008
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:49,710
montclair state New Jersey USA it is

1009
00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:51,990
also incorporated in the philosophy and

1010
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,840
ethics program the years 11 and 12 in

1011
00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:56,940
Western Australia but philosophy on is

1012
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:59,370
open for years 8 to 12 in high school

1013
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:01,500
years not only does it challenge the

1014
00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:03,570
students that it also challenges many

1015
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:05,820
preconceptions about how to get critical

1016
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:11,250
thinking into schools i'm here with

1017
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:13,590
leanne in a gorgeous building why are we

1018
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:15,810
here Leah you discussed the philosophy

1019
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,490
on and this seems to be the perfect

1020
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:19,260
place for it it really is it's

1021
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:21,570
absolutely it's how your school and this

1022
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,580
happens to be your room this is my room

1023
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:25,440
mm-hmm this is your room where great

1024
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,830
deep thoughts are thought ah so what

1025
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,960
wonderful so what sort of classes

1026
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:33,420
require great deep thoughts well I'm the

1027
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,100
challenge program coordinator here and

1028
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:37,740
and that means at Hale school gifted and

1029
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:40,050
talented education accommodating the

1030
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:42,750
needs of the very bright very capable

1031
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:45,420
students in our midst not necessarily

1032
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,060
our high performance these are the lads

1033
00:44:51,490 --> 00:44:49,440
that we've been able to identify as

1034
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:51,500
having high intelligence quotients and

1035
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,970
who had special needs for

1036
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:56,040
differentiation as a result the focus

1037
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,360
for me is very much higher order

1038
00:45:01,040 --> 00:44:59,040
thinking skills because that's what

1039
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:01,050
gifted children need so you'll notice

1040
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,550
the blackboard over there with a huge

1041
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:04,880
discussion about God and existentialism

1042
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:08,130
and so you know that's the sort of thing

1043
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:10,650
that happens around here a lot we had

1044
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:12,750
these very interesting discussions about

1045
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:14,970
philosophy now one of the things people

1046
00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:16,980
might know is that how school is also a

1047
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:20,070
religious school as well this yes and so

1048
00:45:24,590 --> 00:45:22,260
this does not complete with perhaps the

1049
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:24,600
way the school is run not at all

1050
00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:26,610
when when you're employed here at Hale

1051
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,580
you are asked to support and the ethos

1052
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:31,500
of the school and I have absolutely you

1053
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:33,420
know complete commitment to that I'm

1054
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:35,220
completely committed to the school's

1055
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:38,130
ethos is Christianity Christianity is

1056
00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:39,870
one of the great philosophies there are

1057
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:42,030
a number of others so it's a matter of

1058
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:44,910
exposing the voids all the philosophical

1059
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:47,730
concepts out there and encouraging them

1060
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:50,970
to see huge value in the Christian

1061
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:53,820
philosophy and certainly questioning it

1062
00:46:00,440 --> 00:45:56,010
and investigating it and learning it is

1063
00:46:03,350 --> 00:46:00,450
all part of it absolutely cool now we're

1064
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,360
not just here because you teach and help

1065
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:05,280
these students with their needs as gifts

1066
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:07,950
and talented students we met when we

1067
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:09,810
were doing PD for philosophy and ethics

1068
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:11,580
which is a new course or fairly near

1069
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,380
course what does that mean for us today

1070
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:16,380
and I've been very involved in the

1071
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:18,530
development of philosophy and ethics NWA

1072
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:22,170
because I see the development of a

1073
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,170
rational society as you know an answer

1074
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:27,780
if you like two worlds problems and more

1075
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:30,630
we encourage people to think rationally

1076
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:32,850
that the less likely we are to be

1077
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,690
influenced by feds of thinking and we

1078
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:38,400
encourage students to think their way

1079
00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:41,370
through and reason their way through

1080
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:43,860
great lines of thought or logical

1081
00:46:47,570 --> 00:46:45,810
progressions of argument we're less

1082
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:47,580
likely to be affected by concepts like

1083
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,040
racism and gender politics and those

1084
00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:52,020
sorts of things the new course deals

1085
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,470
with all the development of philosophy

1086
00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:57,420
and philosophical thought logical

1087
00:47:01,400 --> 00:46:59,730
reasoning and so on and I've been really

1088
00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:01,410
involved in the development of that here

1089
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:05,340
at hale and our big interest was that we

1090
00:47:09,830 --> 00:47:06,840
wanted to be one of the first schools

1091
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:09,840
that implementing this new course now

1092
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:12,120
the great difficulty with that is all

1093
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:14,130
the other courses have histories and

1094
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:17,190
this course did not have a history it

1095
00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:20,550
had no established precedent in the way

1096
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:22,590
that you would test the skills taught

1097
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:25,230
during a course and our concern was that

1098
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:26,910
the students had no concept of

1099
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:29,700
competition that linked with the idea of

1100
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,330
philosophy and ethics so I came up with

1101
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:35,460
the idea of a competition that would

1102
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:37,600
enable students across the state

1103
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:39,270
we were participating in those courses

1104
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:42,310
to actually meet with each other and get

1105
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:44,380
a sense of competition what we have here

1106
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:45,910
is a philosophy competition called

1107
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:49,330
philosophy on the philosophy yes and it

1108
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:51,610
echoes what is currently being done in

1109
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:54,250
the classes for years 11 and 12 for

1110
00:47:57,900 --> 00:47:55,630
philosophy and ethics in Western

1111
00:48:00,690 --> 00:47:57,910
Australia absolutely but it wasn't just

1112
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:00,700
a history competition like okay name the

1113
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:02,710
dates the night I lived and died

1114
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:05,110
involved something else did in a part of

1115
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:07,030
the course which is also quite near well

1116
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:09,310
the course works on the fundamental

1117
00:48:13,380 --> 00:48:10,780
principle of a community of inquiry

1118
00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:13,390
model and the community of inquiry model

1119
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:16,600
brings together a group a community to

1120
00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:20,530
debate discuss talk through reason

1121
00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:23,620
through a distinction that is presented

1122
00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:26,980
to the group and it's a model that I'm

1123
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:29,380
very very attached to I think it's an

1124
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:31,810
absolutely fabulous model and of course

1125
00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:34,410
it's a model that there's you know um

1126
00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:36,790
taken for granted as a secretory or

1127
00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:39,100
model yeah over discussion we all

1128
00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:40,840
mentally have this sort of image of

1129
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:43,150
Socrates and his students all sitting

1130
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,880
around in the square bank in Athens you

1131
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:47,440
know having this great long discussion

1132
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:50,140
so the community of inquiry model it's

1133
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:53,890
that secretory or model and that was

1134
00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:56,260
what we were wanting to work on so the

1135
00:49:00,810 --> 00:48:58,390
the competition that I've been very

1136
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:00,820
involved in developing here works on

1137
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:02,770
that community of inquiry model it's

1138
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:05,470
about bringing together communities of

1139
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:09,700
students who sit in a community circle

1140
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:12,910
and they have come prepared having read

1141
00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:15,370
trigger material or background reference

1142
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:17,800
material they may have even had prior

1143
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:20,110
discussions on some of that information

1144
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:22,450
but then they then come into these

1145
00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:24,130
groups and their meeting with other

1146
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:25,840
students from other schools across the

1147
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:27,910
state who they're not familiar with

1148
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:29,610
they've never encountered before and

1149
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:33,430
that community is facilitated or or if

1150
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,310
you like managed by a trained

1151
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:39,520
philosopher a university student or

1152
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:42,490
someone who has volunteered to come from

1153
00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:44,530
the philosophy community to facilitate

1154
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:46,390
that discussion and manage that

1155
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:47,700
discussion

1156
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:50,460
now those facilitators are not there to

1157
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,579
guide it they're not there to inform it

1158
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:55,440
they're not there to tell students what

1159
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:58,170
to think it's simply there to ensure

1160
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:00,119
that there's some order in the

1161
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:02,220
progression of the discussion around the

1162
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,630
community and occasionally they might

1163
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:08,640
suggest a question something to provoke

1164
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:12,150
the next line of discussion something

1165
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:14,609
that might be another way of looking at

1166
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,400
what's been discussed but in in a

1167
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:19,800
general sense it's not about the adult

1168
00:50:24,579 --> 00:50:22,200
within the group imposing on the group

1169
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:24,589
it's about the adult in the group

1170
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:27,660
facilitating the discussion further so

1171
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:30,780
it continues on and that model has been

1172
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:33,990
very successful so far and the model of

1173
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:37,140
the court of course is the is completely

1174
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:39,570
embedded in the new course of study now

1175
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,650
if there are people out there who are

1176
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:42,780
intrigued by this notion of hoping that

1177
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:44,010
maybe they could start one like this in

1178
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,630
their own community in their own town

1179
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:47,460
maybe their own state do they

1180
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:49,380
necessarily have to have the philosophy

1181
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:50,970
and ethics course their school in order

1182
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:53,369
to do this no absolutely not there's no

1183
00:50:58,099 --> 00:50:55,140
requirement whatsoever to do that in

1184
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:58,109
fact we initiated the competition the

1185
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:00,200
year before the courts got going and

1186
00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:03,569
that was a deliberate plan on my behalf

1187
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,790
to start preparing our school community

1188
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:08,280
or the implementation of the new course

1189
00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:12,630
of study so we were trying to advantage

1190
00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:16,349
our students so we initiated the

1191
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:18,270
philosophy club and within the

1192
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:20,579
philosophy club we started the community

1193
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:22,770
of inquiry model to start preparing our

1194
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:26,250
year eight 9s and 10s or the year 11

1195
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:28,770
court 11 and 12 courses that were to

1196
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:31,710
roll out of the curriculum council and

1197
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:34,680
that the club environment enabled us to

1198
00:51:40,819 --> 00:51:38,130
start developing the skills and

1199
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:40,829
understandings necessary at you know to

1200
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,170
use in the app school cause then we

1201
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:46,319
discovered that within the community we

1202
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,500
were finding the same sorts of reasoning

1203
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:51,920
the same sorts of logic being provided

1204
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:55,260
weekend week out and we thought it was

1205
00:51:59,780 --> 00:51:57,630
time to challenge our boys a bit so we

1206
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,790
developed a partnership with Sid Hilda's

1207
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:02,160
philosophers in action club and bringing

1208
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:03,480
the boys and the girls together was

1209
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,460
interesting in itself and we saw the

1210
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:09,119
benefit of the cross gender mix all of a

1211
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:12,510
sudden the argument shifted and the

1212
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:14,940
girls bought a completely different

1213
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,640
perspective to the discussion then our

1214
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:19,920
boys had previously enjoyed so if we

1215
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:22,170
thought okay well if that works let's

1216
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:24,540
take it out into the state and that's

1217
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:26,190
where the idea of the competition came

1218
00:52:31,099 --> 00:52:27,990
and of course as you know we've now

1219
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,109
expanded to the eastern states hmm so

1220
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:33,119
schools in the eastern states are now

1221
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,609
running their versions of the philosophy

1222
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:37,680
on we've had interest from Southeast

1223
00:52:43,819 --> 00:52:40,470
Asia so we're really hoping in the long

1224
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:43,829
term and Matthew wills who is our head

1225
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:45,510
of religion ethics and philosophy here

1226
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:47,910
at Hale he and I work very much as a

1227
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:51,119
team we have a website and for the

1228
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,130
philosopher on which people can access

1229
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:55,440
and we're really hoping that in the long

1230
00:52:59,359 --> 00:52:57,450
term that we might make a worldwide

1231
00:53:01,160 --> 00:52:59,369
movement and encourage young people

1232
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:01,170
right across the world to participate in

1233
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:04,290
philosophical communities inquiry I've

1234
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:06,569
had inquiries by people in fact not as

1235
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:08,970
students about as hopeful teachers yes

1236
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:10,410
what's parents or we want to facilitate

1237
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:12,660
who want to be able to encourage one of

1238
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,530
the things that people might not know

1239
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:15,720
about this particular model then

1240
00:53:20,059 --> 00:53:17,849
community of inquiry it's not Australian

1241
00:53:23,180 --> 00:53:20,069
is it it's not American it is an

1242
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:23,190
American lawyers yes absolutely but the

1243
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:26,670
the curriculum council in preparing the

1244
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:28,710
courts worked of course with experts in

1245
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:33,150
the area and had very many academics who

1246
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:35,010
advised in the development of the courts

1247
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:37,650
and we work very closely as you know

1248
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:40,050
with the philosophy on with all of our

1249
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,220
universities in WA so all of the

1250
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,859
universities are represented in in that

1251
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,380
in that venue because they all send us

1252
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:51,839
judges and we draw the facilitators from

1253
00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:55,760
that same pool so this is very much a

1254
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,190
from across the educational community as

1255
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:02,400
a whole and because of that we are

1256
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:04,710
getting current thinking at in

1257
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:08,010
philosophy from the academic area being

1258
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:09,190
brought down and into the

1259
00:54:12,809 --> 00:54:10,900
school environment and influencing the

1260
00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:12,819
way the competition developed and

1261
00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:14,920
evolved have you noticed many students

1262
00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:16,839
going on perhaps now that time is fast

1263
00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:18,339
to consider doing philosophy at

1264
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:20,230
university level definitely yeah we've

1265
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:22,329
had feedback from the University of

1266
00:54:28,290 --> 00:54:25,690
Western Australia already dr. Nick

1267
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:28,300
manager noveck is one of our judges both

1268
00:54:33,059 --> 00:54:30,730
he and dr. Joe Nemo of Notre Dame

1269
00:54:35,849 --> 00:54:33,069
University have both commented to me

1270
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:35,859
that you know there has been interest at

1271
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:37,900
both the universities as a direct result

1272
00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:40,690
of students graduating from the

1273
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:42,940
philosophy on and so our students have

1274
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:45,010
become a great deal more interested in

1275
00:54:50,099 --> 00:54:47,470
philosophy at school because it's now

1276
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:50,109
leading you know very powerfully into

1277
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:53,050
undergraduate courses at UWA which is

1278
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,050
just fabulous but we're also finding it

1279
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,520
the other way around we're finding our

1280
00:55:02,339 --> 00:54:59,920
students who have gone on and who are

1281
00:55:05,339 --> 00:55:02,349
now studying at UWA who have actively

1282
00:55:08,339 --> 00:55:05,349
elected to do philosophy units either as

1283
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:08,349
majors or minors in their courses of

1284
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:11,140
study are coming back and participating

1285
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:13,510
at the high school level with our clubs

1286
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:16,150
without in our philosophy camp that we

1287
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,220
run each year with the philosophy on

1288
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:21,040
actively participating because they're

1289
00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:22,930
coming back and telling our upper school

1290
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:24,760
students and our club within the school

1291
00:55:31,470 --> 00:55:28,240
how valuable those skills are so they're

1292
00:55:33,390 --> 00:55:31,480
finding that those skills are useful no

1293
00:55:34,859 --> 00:55:33,400
matter what the course of study will be

1294
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:34,869
interesting to see if many of them go on

1295
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:36,130
to become philosophy teachers themselves

1296
00:55:41,550 --> 00:55:37,599
and maybe come back to teach philosophy

1297
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:41,560
I've got my fingers crossed yeah so so

1298
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:42,940
people are interested in learning more

1299
00:55:46,859 --> 00:55:44,290
particularly about the community of

1300
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,869
inquiry method one place they can go is

1301
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:48,880
the Montclair State University because

1302
00:55:52,890 --> 00:55:51,160
it's Matthew Linton's method it is isn't

1303
00:55:54,809 --> 00:55:52,900
it that has international ramifications

1304
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:54,819
I believe it's still being tested

1305
00:56:00,240 --> 00:55:57,609
however in terms of its efficacy and yet

1306
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,250
we do know certain impacts that it has

1307
00:56:04,589 --> 00:56:02,079
diluting and there is there is some

1308
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,599
evidence to suggest that the development

1309
00:56:07,950 --> 00:56:06,400
of the model is valuable in terms of the

1310
00:56:10,020 --> 00:56:07,960
development of social skills within

1311
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,030
students as well sitting in a community

1312
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:12,160
of inquiry model and participating in

1313
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,550
active challenging debate where opinions

1314
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:17,640
and ideas

1315
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:19,890
sets are being challenged and sometimes

1316
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:22,470
quite emotive ly so students can get

1317
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:25,529
very very stressed and very attached to

1318
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:28,230
their opinion or their particular point

1319
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:31,140
of argument in that being control and

1320
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:33,150
guided it's part of a community of

1321
00:56:38,029 --> 00:56:34,859
inquiry model those students are

1322
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:38,039
learning appropriate social ways to

1323
00:56:42,859 --> 00:56:40,650
discuss volatile issues within society

1324
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:42,869
without it becoming the source of

1325
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:45,569
contention I've had people say yes it

1326
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:46,740
sounds like you know wouldn't be

1327
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:47,910
wonderful we have critical thinking

1328
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:49,470
classes and so forth and I stand back

1329
00:56:53,539 --> 00:56:51,960
and so we have have classes we're doing

1330
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:53,549
it and yes I seem to be pick what do you

1331
00:56:56,839 --> 00:56:54,809
think might be some of the fact and

1332
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,849
that's a very interesting point because

1333
00:57:02,240 --> 00:56:59,760
recently I encountered a professional

1334
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:02,250
philosopher who is involved with the WA

1335
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,960
school of philosophy and works

1336
00:57:08,779 --> 00:57:06,000
constantly with adults and with business

1337
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:08,789
and I met this person on a social level

1338
00:57:12,859 --> 00:57:11,430
and was immediately confronted by the

1339
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:12,869
question you know why aren't we doing

1340
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:16,079
this in schools and my answer was we are

1341
00:57:21,769 --> 00:57:19,319
doing it in schools and even within our

1342
00:57:24,769 --> 00:57:21,779
community of philosophers in this state

1343
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:24,779
there was a very low understanding if

1344
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:26,490
you lie amongst people who view

1345
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,140
themselves as professional philosophers

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active in the business world despite the

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word of the Australian philosophers in

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schools association has been doing for

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some time you know we've been working so

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hard to develop this in schools and

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working to bridge universities and

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school communities so that we you know

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that we are building these connections

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these relationships but there's still

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this perception that there's very little

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happening in schools on the ground in

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schools there's a lot the trick is to

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get it out hola sofy still has a cringe

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00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:56,849
factor involved in Australian society we

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look at philosophy is in a latest course

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of study rather than seeing it as

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something that's generally applicable

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and that's bizarre in itself because

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philosophies about good thinking it's

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about effectively and surely that should

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be the basis of every often I've had

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00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:12,210
people say to me there should be more

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critical thinking classes in the

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sciences for example men yet we can see

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it in the curriculum if you do take out

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a copy of original maps here in Western

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Australia and see how it's pointing out

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00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:23,130
the scientific method yes indeed it is

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00:58:27,259 --> 00:58:25,559
being taught and so forth so we've

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noticed this ourselves because have a

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club here at Hale which runs on Tuesdays

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and Thursdays

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00:58:33,859 --> 00:58:31,980
lunchtimes we have a very active

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00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,869
community of boys who come and

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00:58:36,859 --> 00:58:35,040
participate in that Club in

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00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:36,869
philosophical discussion and we've

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00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:39,420
invited our heads of curriculum to come

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00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:41,340
and address that group that in itself is

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valuable within the school because what

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00:58:46,790 --> 00:58:44,970
we're doing is explaining our philosophy

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is embedded in every subject area and

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and the more that we can do this the

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more that we embed not logical rational

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thought and I guess some people might be

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thinking themselves well that's how old

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00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:56,190
school they have access to wonderful

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00:58:59,960 --> 00:58:58,140
teachers they have facilities and so

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00:59:02,180 --> 00:58:59,970
forth and yet it takes communication

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00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:02,190
this could quite easily happen in a

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public school as we know as we've said

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because we have the philosophy and

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ethics course is not just a private

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00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:09,930
school course only talk to those year 11

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00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,690
and 12 and you know we've had two years

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in a row in great interest from from the

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00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:16,890
state school system in terms of

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participating in the philosophy on and

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00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:20,460
australand senior high school performed

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00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:23,240
last year and and you know really

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00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:25,980
distinguished themselves by no means is

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00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:28,350
it you know the elite private schools by

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00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:30,600
any means we're looking very much at

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:33,270
this being across the system approach

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00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:35,130
which is the way it should be very open

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armed everyone very much so to find out

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00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:39,060
more to ask you more questions as I'm

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00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:40,260
certain people listening to this are

1413
00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:41,910
going to be very intrigued where can

1414
00:59:46,609 --> 00:59:43,560
people call they can come to us we do

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00:59:48,590 --> 00:59:46,619
have a website Asif on org that's it and

1416
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,600
that allows you to contact us and we

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00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:50,160
will respond to that website and give

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00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,720
you whatever help and support that we

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00:59:56,060 --> 00:59:53,520
can but the websites extremely

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00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:56,070
comprehensive Matthew rules maintains

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00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:57,780
that website and that's where all the

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01:00:02,120 --> 00:59:59,940
resources are so that any any school

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01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:02,130
that is interested not necessarily in

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:04,530
participating this year but that would

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01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,570
like to get an idea of what's involved

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01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:09,119
that would be a good spot to start

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01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,410
because you can go there and have a look

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01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:12,480
at all the resources that the teams are

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01:00:15,859 --> 01:00:14,310
using to prepare the debates for this

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:15,869
year the debate topics are all up there

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01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:17,850
last year to debate topics are up there

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01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,650
to give you an idea of what competition

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01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,240
faced last year there are photographs

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01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:23,520
online to give you an idea of the sorts

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01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,550
of layout of a community of inquiry and

1436
01:00:31,790 --> 01:00:29,760
we we invite observers so if you would

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01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:31,800
like to come and just see what we're

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01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:34,020
doing you're very welcome just let me

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01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:35,670
know so that i can make sure that we've

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01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,900
got enough tea and coffee for everybody

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01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,180
and that includes parents as well as

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01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:41,280
stage soon yeah yes and

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01:00:45,350 --> 01:00:43,260
lutely so you know we go out of our way

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01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:45,360
to ensure that people who are interested

1445
01:00:48,860 --> 01:00:47,580
and want to be involved but would just

1446
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:48,870
like to come and have a look this year i

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01:00:52,610 --> 01:00:50,370
will i'll be there this year you will be

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01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:52,620
i will be i shall indeed i'll be

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01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:54,330
layering as many people as I can think

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01:00:58,850 --> 01:00:56,010
terrific very much then it's a welcome

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01:01:01,610 --> 01:00:58,860
letter if you head to philosophy org

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01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:01,620
you'll discover that at asian college in

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01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:03,870
sydney South the next philosophy on is

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01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:05,790
on Thursday September the 10 at hale

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01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,530
school it is being held on wednesday

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01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:10,380
october the 28 and contact details are

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01:01:14,270 --> 01:01:12,630
on the site critical teaching org will

1458
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:14,280
be represented at Dragon Con this year

1459
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,990
and you can find out about the

1460
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:17,520
association for the philosophy and

1461
01:01:44,550 --> 01:01:42,570
well thank you for downloading this

1462
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:44,560
episode of the skeptic so now those of

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01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:46,930
you who are heading for dragoncon in

1464
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:48,850
atlanta well you know where to find us

1465
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:52,270
please come up and say hello next week's

1466
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:54,370
episode we have an interview with

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:56,650
Margaret kitson from Queensland all

1468
01:02:01,320 --> 01:01:59,050
about her life and skepticism and a bit

1469
01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:01,330
about the upcoming Australian skeptics

1470
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:04,420
National Convention until then it's

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01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:06,610
goodbye from Richard Saunders from

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01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:11,530
Sydney Australia you've been listening

1473
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:14,760
to the skeptic zone visit our website at

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01:02:22,820 --> 01:02:19,450
www skeptics on TV for comments contacts

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01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:22,830
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